In this episode, Ashley LaLonde sits down with Mike Kelsey, pastor at McLean Bible Church in the DC metro area, to explore new Barna data on pastoral burnout — including that 38% of pastors who have considered leaving full-time ministry cite political divisions as a primary reason. Together, they unpack what it looks like to lead a multi-ethnic congregation through charged cultural moments, the difference between righteous anger and algorithm-driven outrage, and why the church must choose to be discipled by the Word rather than the world.

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Release Date: 01/07/2026, 22:30:00