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The Kids or Childfree Podcast

The Kids or Childfree Podcast

Released: 2026-01-29
© 2024
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93 Episodes
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93 Episodes
Audio
Listen on Apple Podcasts
Released: 2026-01-29
© 2024
Most Recent Episode
92. Gemma Hartley on Emotional Labor and the Parenthood Path

92. Gemma Hartley on Emotional Labor and the Parenthood Path

Keltie is joined by freelance writer and author of the book, Fed Up: Emotional Labor, Women, and the Way Forward, Gemma Hartley. Their discussion explores... What terms like emotional labor, mental load, and invisible labor actually mean. The in
Time: 53:08
Keltie is joined by freelance writer and author of the book, Fed Up: Emotional Labor, Women, and the Way Forward, Gemma Hartley.
Their discussion explores...
What terms like emotional labor, mental load, and invisible labor actually mean.
The interplay of these things within partnerships, and in particular, the decision to have kids.
Why having children exacerbates existing imbalances in relationships.
The impact of societal expectations on women, and how social conditoning causes women to shoulder more emotional labor.
Gemma's personal parenthood journey, and how she and her partner have navigated emotional labor while working to build a more equitable partnership.
As mentioned in the show:
Gemma can be found in Instagram at instagram.com/gemmalhartley/
Read her Substack, Angry Woman, here: https://gemmahartley.substack.com/
Order Gemma's forthcoming book, No One Loves An Angry Woman, here: https://bit.ly/3Z57qWU
About Gemma:
Gemma Hartley is a longtime freelance writer, writing coach, yoga instructor and most notably author of Fed Up: Emotional Labor, Women, and the Way Forward. She has spoken on the topic of the mental load and emotional labor around the world, from corporate conferences to festivals at the Sydney Opera House. Her hope is to create work that encourages a more equitable world in which invisible labor is valued and supported by both personal partners and public policy alike.
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Episode ID: 1000747085509
GUID: d3cdba73-2917-47d3-9b4f-2c9cdd51ffd5
Release Date: 29/01/2026, 03:31:00

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Should I have kids?
If you're on the fence about whether or not to have kids, this is your podcast. Each week, host and Clarity Coach, Keltie Maguire, will interview a wide-ranging host of different voices — from best-selling authors to outdoor adventurers to health experts — about their personal Kids or Childfree decision and the topics that run alongside this choice.
From new and long-time moms to the currently ambivalent to those who are childfree by choice, you'll get to hear the answers to all the questions you can't seem to get straight answers on. What's it really like being a parent? What happens to childfree people when they get old? Do people who don't have kids regret it? Can you ever really be ready to have a child? And perhaps most importantly: How can I make my own Kids or Childfree decision?

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