Simon Mayo and Matt Williams welcome podcaster, journalist, marathon-runner, broadcaster and author - Bryony Gordon - to the podcast, to chat about her debut novel for adults.

They discuss the London Marathon (which Bryony ran this year in her underwear with her good friend Adele Roberts), columnists who don't write what they truly believe - and - people pleasing, which is the central theme in Bryony's novel.

Here's a little bit more about 'People Pleaser:

Olivia Greenwood has been trying very hard to please people for a very long time.But today is going to change Olivia in a big way. A soul-crushing career disappointment, a fiery young woman with a chip on her shoulder and a cigarette in her hand, and one single blue hallucinogenic gummy all lead to a raucous night out and one hell of a hangover. And when Olivia wakes up the next morning, it seems she’s unable to please anyone but HERSELF.So who actually is Olivia Greenwood, when she’s not trying to be what everyone else wants her to be?

Episode ID: 1000764555825

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Release Date: 30/04/2026, 00:45:00